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Private discussion for init6. https://github.com/fjaros/init6
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Hellya 21-Feb-18 04:02 PM
https://github.com/fjaros/init6
fjaros/init6
init6 - Project init 6 . Old battle.net like warnet server.
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OneMeanDragon 21-Feb-18 04:29 PM
light weight
Hellya 21-Feb-18 04:29 PM
hmm?
That's not me.
OneMeanDragon 21-Feb-18 04:30 PM
its small
novares 21-Feb-18 04:49 PM
Who's fjaros?
And, if there's an init-reboot, I'll help with UI, or graphical stuff if needed
Hellya 21-Feb-18 06:23 PM
That is @Filip - aka l2k-Shadow.
Filip 21-Feb-18 06:24 PM
Damn you are better than Google AdWords
Promoting my ass like no tomorrow
Hellya 21-Feb-18 06:28 PM
#1 cheerleader
Filip 21-Feb-18 06:29 PM
True. Init6 went to poop after you dipped out :p
Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:14 PM
@Filip i'll be the cheerleader next go around too - i just wont have anything to do with the hosting of it ;p
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:14 PM
Next time around lol u funny
Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:15 PM
i believe
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Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:36 PM
@Caaaaarrrrlll should host
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Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:37 PM
servers are cheap
Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:38 PM
it's not the price
it's the community politic
need neutral party
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:38 PM
i'm the neutral party huh lol
Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:39 PM
well you don't have any ties to the old rivaling clans
;p
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:42 PM
Servers are not that cheap for this
Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:42 PM
we must have some crypto millionaires now who can fund
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:42 PM
Network becomes a bottleneck on cheap boxes
Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:43 PM
i would advocate banning premium bandwidth next time around
it would naturally limit the max connections, people arn't buying 60 $1 vps
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:44 PM
And how do you ban such premium bandwidth
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:44 PM
what is this? fast lanes?
fuck you ajit pai
Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:44 PM
lol
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:45 PM
https://www.vultr.com/?ref=7101332
Vultr: High Performance SSD Cloud.
We are simplifying the cloud. One Login, Eight Countries, Fifteen Cities, Infinite Possibilities.
servers are cheap
Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:45 PM
lol the 4 core vultr's arent that cheap
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:46 PM
gotta have quality somewhere
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:46 PM
Box specs itself weren't an issue
It was always the network that crapped
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:46 PM
I've been monitoring several networks
vultr and softlayer have the best
Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:47 PM
Softlayer VPS would cost over $100+month
ez
for what we need
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:47 PM
yeah, it's out of the question
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:47 PM
Once you get 1000+ <1ms bots hammering it really hurts
Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:47 PM
all sitting on the same node
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:47 PM
people who war are banned, done
Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:47 PM
LOL
Ban warrers from warring server
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:48 PM
Well
Yeah when you put it that way
Aws free tier lit her up boi
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:48 PM
i see it as mitigating a ddos
aws is fucking horrible
the worst
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:48 PM
Aws is good
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:48 PM
LOL
no.
all of their servers are oversold; the hypervisors have more vpses on them than they have cores
Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:49 PM
Wasn't Davin creating a distributed network plan for AWS for init6 originally?
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:49 PM
I mean, Pinterest runs 100% on aws. We're doing just fine.
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:49 PM
Pinterest also is a for-profit company.
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:49 PM
It's not good for warnet usecase obviously
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:50 PM
They can afford to have hundreds servers.
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:50 PM
Hundreds lol
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:50 PM
probably more
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:50 PM
Probably close to 50k
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:50 PM
A previous company I worked for was on AWS, and we automated several things to game the system of getting performance out of the servers.
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:51 PM
The point was if you ban warring, aws free tier works just fine for you
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:51 PM
300 servers that are around 4 cores are around $80k
how many accounts are you going to make to make aws free tier viable
aws free tier only allows 1 t2.micro if I recall
Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:52 PM
okay carl cant be admin
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:52 PM
Lol stop taking me literally
Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:52 PM
he wants to ban warrers
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:52 PM
you have to verify your account with cc
Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:52 PM
on warring server
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:52 PM
see phant0m i'm not neutral lmao
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:53 PM
I meant to say, if you ban warring the server cost goes down significantly to the point of aws free tier hosting a box just fine (obviously not recommending to actually use aws free tier)
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:54 PM
I'm really confused what you're advocating; - with warrers, the warrers could open several aws accounts and utilize free tier, but server should be off free tier - without warrers, the server could be hosted on aws free tier
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:54 PM
Wut
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:55 PM
see
and I laid that out in plain sense
Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:55 PM
Carl how high are you atm?
this 1
on a scale from 9-10
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:55 PM
0
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:55 PM
huh
green_leaf
Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:56 PM
Anyways, init6 needs 4core because the logins are multithreaded - and the software is designed to accomodate reconnect wars
and what happens is if u use vps
all the warrers dogpile the same VPS for their bots
trying to get 2 hops at 0.0001
so, when we ran it, we moved it to 4, dedicated servers
but that became costly
operating costs were over $220 a month
we raised $1300 in donations so it was fine for awhile
but unsustainable really
lol
ya u could say that
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:58 PM
If the client is vps in the same data center as the speed test server
Lol
Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:58 PM
it comes down to bots in the end
who has the better bot
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:59 PM
Nah it's pure luck
All those bots are shit
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Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:59 PM
im super lucky
Filip 21-Feb-18 07:59 PM
Truth
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:00 PM
it's whoever has a) the lowest latency to the server and b) lowest hops; the connection that performs the handshake the fastest wins (edited)
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:00 PM
yep
Nobody really thinks it's this overcomplicated thing.. just a way to still play with bots, and chill with friends
or talk shit
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:01 PM
mostly the latter
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:01 PM
yah
LOL
still fun to see ll the old TGK/]{LiK/][)K guys show up
Filip 21-Feb-18 08:02 PM
Unless init6 threads decide to let the slower fool front first
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:02 PM
for sure @islanti but blizzard didn't leave us many options
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:02 PM
if the server is artifically increasing the time to handshake, well that's just another variable to the other two.
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:02 PM
clan channels just made it stupid
it became brute forcing and spamming
so hundreds from that community left and developed different warring emulations over the years
Filip 21-Feb-18 08:03 PM
I thought so too
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:05 PM
maybe the shitty clans did
but warrers mostly beefed with themselves
Filip 21-Feb-18 08:05 PM
It would be a lot easier to realize these projects if this community could congregate around another activity not involving perpetual ddosing of a bnet server
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:05 PM
and left gamers alone
it was always about the bnet community ultimately. warring was a bi-product that emerged out of cults of personality
and shit talking
i'm still an advocate for the community... every time a server goes up, 50-100 people show up out of nowhere... and they pick up where they left off
warring happens but ultimately there is a very eclectic group of people that managed to stay together
Filip 21-Feb-18 08:10 PM
And leave after a month like it never happened
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:10 PM
LOL
Filip 21-Feb-18 08:10 PM
😆
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:10 PM
yes
its an odd thing
Filip 21-Feb-18 08:10 PM
Not really
Nostalgia gets old quick and warring just isn't that fun
Like there is no progress no gamificiation
You and I have talked on this subject before
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:11 PM
you took it further than anyone. it could happen
i liked the text based rpgs and random event ideas
Filip 21-Feb-18 08:13 PM
Ya we tried
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:13 PM
what keeps you interested in Bnet, islanti?
so, you play scr?
heh. the answer i expected. it's not wrong - just typical that we have this fragmented community of people still around bnet but can't fully articulate the draw
but its there
im not convinced it's just nostalgia
okay.
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:20 PM
I should probably bring up that I made two people admins without much asking of others 😛 just interesting you mention a divide
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:23 PM
bnet and the community just have always fascinated me. 20yrs later there still people around.. close to 25yrs now actually
almost none if the greater community, to which im connected to in many different channels, are gamers
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:23 PM
the only reason I keep bnetdocs together is because of that sense of community, there's a lot of people who use the site anonymously
I can pretty much check the logs at any time and see someone browsing around
Not just bots
I think Filip was on point last night when he said it's highly ambitious to do what we wanna do.
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:25 PM
im not really asking anything too deep i just am interested legitimately
im not trying to grill you islanti
i'm a dreamer
;p
@Caaaaarrrrlll yep - first step would be to articulate what it is
this 1
Filip 21-Feb-18 08:29 PM
That's hard with this community
Very divided opinions
You mention you are trying to not emulate bnet 1 exactly and your nuts will be eaten
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:30 PM
Cater to bots/warring - it becomes stupid and lame
but if u emulate bnet u get sued lmao
RIP rob
Filip 21-Feb-18 08:31 PM
Haha
That was cherry on the cake for his bnet 1 work
He got in trouble for continually fucking their IP even with sc2
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:32 PM
I don't think anybody would get sued these days, they're literally in bed with fishbattle
Filip 21-Feb-18 08:33 PM
Yeh tend to agree . Bnet1 emulation will hardly matter
But let's be real. Someone will probably resurrect emnet
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:35 PM
doubt it.
i duno why they would when i6 is open source
its better
Filip 21-Feb-18 08:37 PM
Because better is subjective
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:41 PM
I think filip just is super underplaying how nice i6 is
despite the effects it had on servers, it was a nice platform
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:41 PM
he received a lot of bullshit from the other emulation rivals
"rivals"
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:42 PM
I only know of like 3
pvpgn, emnet, init6, my own, who else?
emnet is dead
I didn't bitch
Filip 21-Feb-18 08:43 PM
I also like to be humble
this 2
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:43 PM
that leaves pvpgn
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:43 PM
that's it realy
Filip 21-Feb-18 08:43 PM
seven really did me in
Lol
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:43 PM
emnet is a piece of shit though
Filip 21-Feb-18 08:43 PM
He was salty as fuck
Haha yeah
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:44 PM
Carl, what is your own project?
I haven't really heard you talk about it
is it a pvpgn fork?
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:46 PM
you know, the beauty of open source is anybody can improve what exists with something better
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:46 PM
absolutely
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:46 PM
it's on my github, it's shit, don't look at it
oh it's private nvm
ha
Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:47 PM
has pvpgn pursued linking at all?
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:47 PM
no
linking would be bad ass
they've got a lot on their plate
Filip 21-Feb-18 08:47 PM
Pvpgn is single server only
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:47 PM
https://github.com/pvpgn/pvpgn-server/issues
if you wanna hear about pvpgn the people to ask are @cen and @relesgoe
Filip 21-Feb-18 08:50 PM
pvpgn is tailored to gaming so the linking is not of importance. Init6 linking was tailored to war + drop.
Which has its own set of issues.
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:52 PM
one of the things my battlenet server did was have the ability to put @realm on peoples online names, based on IP or product
it also kept track of cdkeys in use, but not validity of keys; well, it'd check to ensure the product matched the game you were using, then cache it while you remain connected, and ensured no one could be using the same two keys at once, that was it (edited)
Filip 21-Feb-18 08:53 PM
Haha
You could always take the init6 route for cdkeys https://github.com/fjaros/init6/blob/master/src/main/scala/com/init6/connection/binary/BinaryMessageHandler.scala#L202
fjaros/init6
init6 - Project init 6 . Old battle.net like warnet server.
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:57 PM
And this is one of the reasons init6 is superior, it would disconnect people breaking the protocol.
PvPGN accepts way too much.
Filip 21-Feb-18 08:59 PM
Oh I was referring to the fact that there is no cdkey check at all
Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:59 PM
I know 😛 but that file is a decent example of the other.
Hellya 21-Feb-18 09:00 PM
i love how filips face shows up on every github i6 link
THE FACE OF INIT 6
Filip 21-Feb-18 09:01 PM
Ffs
Time to update my GitHub pic to trollface
OneMeanDragon 21-Feb-18 09:10 PM
pvpgn is single but fsgs was linked
im suprised to this day they still didnt add a master server like fsgs did
cen 04-Mar-18 04:54 PM
there were some patches floating around, probably lost on some berlios server now
yep, something like this perhaps https://github.com/pvpgn/pvpgn-server/issues/45
Server clusters · Issue #45 · pvpgn/pvpgn-server
Is it possible to make a server cluster(multiple servers that are connected together) currently?