BNETDocs - init6

Hellya 21-Feb-18 04:02 PM

https://github.com/fjaros/init6

fjaros/init6

init6 - Project init 6 . Old battle.net like warnet server.

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OneMeanDragon 21-Feb-18 04:29 PM

light weight

Hellya 21-Feb-18 04:29 PM

hmm?

That's not me.

OneMeanDragon 21-Feb-18 04:30 PM

its small

novares 21-Feb-18 04:49 PM

Who's fjaros?

And, if there's an init-reboot, I'll help with UI, or graphical stuff if needed

Hellya 21-Feb-18 06:23 PM

That is @Filip - aka l2k-Shadow.

Filip 21-Feb-18 06:24 PM

Damn you are better than Google AdWords

Promoting my ass like no tomorrow

Hellya 21-Feb-18 06:28 PM

#1 cheerleader

Filip 21-Feb-18 06:29 PM

True. Init6 went to poop after you dipped out :p

Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:14 PM

@Filip i'll be the cheerleader next go around too - i just wont have anything to do with the hosting of it ;p

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:14 PM

Next time around lol u funny

Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:15 PM

i believe

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Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:36 PM

@Caaaaarrrrlll should host

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:37 PM

servers are cheap

Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:38 PM

it's not the price

it's the community politic

need neutral party

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:38 PM

i'm the neutral party huh lol

Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:39 PM

well you don't have any ties to the old rivaling clans

;p

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:42 PM

Servers are not that cheap for this

Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:42 PM

we must have some crypto millionaires now who can fund

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:42 PM

Network becomes a bottleneck on cheap boxes

Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:43 PM

i would advocate banning premium bandwidth next time around

it would naturally limit the max connections, people arn't buying 60 $1 vps

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:44 PM

And how do you ban such premium bandwidth

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:44 PM

what is this? fast lanes?

fuck you ajit pai

Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:44 PM

lol

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:45 PM

https://www.vultr.com/?ref=7101332

Vultr: High Performance SSD Cloud.

We are simplifying the cloud. One Login, Eight Countries, Fifteen Cities, Infinite Possibilities.

servers are cheap

Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:45 PM

lol the 4 core vultr's arent that cheap

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:46 PM

gotta have quality somewhere

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:46 PM

Box specs itself weren't an issue

It was always the network that crapped

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:46 PM

I've been monitoring several networks

vultr and softlayer have the best

Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:47 PM

Softlayer VPS would cost over $100+month

ez

for what we need

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:47 PM

yeah, it's out of the question

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:47 PM

Once you get 1000+ <1ms bots hammering it really hurts

Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:47 PM

all sitting on the same node

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:47 PM

people who war are banned, done

Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:47 PM

LOL

Ban warrers from warring server

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:48 PM

Well

Yeah when you put it that way

Aws free tier lit her up boi

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:48 PM

i see it as mitigating a ddos

aws is fucking horrible

the worst

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:48 PM

Aws is good

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:48 PM

LOL

no.

all of their servers are oversold; the hypervisors have more vpses on them than they have cores

Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:49 PM

Wasn't Davin creating a distributed network plan for AWS for init6 originally?

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:49 PM

I mean, Pinterest runs 100% on aws. We're doing just fine.

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:49 PM

Pinterest also is a for-profit company.

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:49 PM

It's not good for warnet usecase obviously

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:50 PM

They can afford to have hundreds servers.

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:50 PM

Hundreds lol

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:50 PM

probably more

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:50 PM

Probably close to 50k

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:50 PM

A previous company I worked for was on AWS, and we automated several things to game the system of getting performance out of the servers.

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:51 PM

The point was if you ban warring, aws free tier works just fine for you

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:51 PM

300 servers that are around 4 cores are around $80k

how many accounts are you going to make to make aws free tier viable

aws free tier only allows 1 t2.micro if I recall

Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:52 PM

okay carl cant be admin

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:52 PM

Lol stop taking me literally

Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:52 PM

he wants to ban warrers

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:52 PM

you have to verify your account with cc

Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:52 PM

on warring server

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:52 PM

see phant0m i'm not neutral lmao

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:53 PM

I meant to say, if you ban warring the server cost goes down significantly to the point of aws free tier hosting a box just fine (obviously not recommending to actually use aws free tier)

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:54 PM

I'm really confused what you're advocating; - with warrers, the warrers could open several aws accounts and utilize free tier, but server should be off free tier - without warrers, the server could be hosted on aws free tier

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:54 PM

Wut

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:55 PM

see

and I laid that out in plain sense

Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:55 PM

Carl how high are you atm?

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on a scale from 9-10

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 07:55 PM

0

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:55 PM

Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:56 PM

Anyways, init6 needs 4core because the logins are multithreaded - and the software is designed to accomodate reconnect wars

and what happens is if u use vps

all the warrers dogpile the same VPS for their bots

trying to get 2 hops at 0.0001

so, when we ran it, we moved it to 4, dedicated servers

but that became costly

operating costs were over $220 a month

we raised $1300 in donations so it was fine for awhile

but unsustainable really

lol

ya u could say that

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:58 PM

If the client is vps in the same data center as the speed test server

Lol

Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:58 PM

it comes down to bots in the end

who has the better bot

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:59 PM

Nah it's pure luck

All those bots are shit

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Hellya 21-Feb-18 07:59 PM

im super lucky

Filip 21-Feb-18 07:59 PM

Truth

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:00 PM

it's whoever has a) the lowest latency to the server and b) lowest hops; the connection that performs the handshake the fastest wins (edited)

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:00 PM

yep

Nobody really thinks it's this overcomplicated thing.. just a way to still play with bots, and chill with friends

or talk shit

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:01 PM

mostly the latter

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:01 PM

yah

LOL

still fun to see ll the old TGK/]{LiK/][)K guys show up

Filip 21-Feb-18 08:02 PM

Unless init6 threads decide to let the slower fool front first

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:02 PM

for sure @islanti but blizzard didn't leave us many options

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:02 PM

if the server is artifically increasing the time to handshake, well that's just another variable to the other two.

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:02 PM

clan channels just made it stupid

it became brute forcing and spamming

so hundreds from that community left and developed different warring emulations over the years

Filip 21-Feb-18 08:03 PM

I thought so too

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:05 PM

maybe the shitty clans did

but warrers mostly beefed with themselves

Filip 21-Feb-18 08:05 PM

It would be a lot easier to realize these projects if this community could congregate around another activity not involving perpetual ddosing of a bnet server

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:05 PM

and left gamers alone

it was always about the bnet community ultimately. warring was a bi-product that emerged out of cults of personality

and shit talking

i'm still an advocate for the community... every time a server goes up, 50-100 people show up out of nowhere... and they pick up where they left off

warring happens but ultimately there is a very eclectic group of people that managed to stay together

Filip 21-Feb-18 08:10 PM

And leave after a month like it never happened

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:10 PM

LOL

Filip 21-Feb-18 08:10 PM

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:10 PM

yes

its an odd thing

Filip 21-Feb-18 08:10 PM

Not really

Nostalgia gets old quick and warring just isn't that fun

Like there is no progress no gamificiation

You and I have talked on this subject before

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:11 PM

you took it further than anyone. it could happen

i liked the text based rpgs and random event ideas

Filip 21-Feb-18 08:13 PM

Ya we tried

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:13 PM

what keeps you interested in Bnet, islanti?

so, you play scr?

heh. the answer i expected. it's not wrong - just typical that we have this fragmented community of people still around bnet but can't fully articulate the draw

but its there

im not convinced it's just nostalgia

okay.

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:20 PM

I should probably bring up that I made two people admins without much asking of others

just interesting you mention a divide

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:23 PM

bnet and the community just have always fascinated me. 20yrs later there still people around.. close to 25yrs now actually

almost none if the greater community, to which im connected to in many different channels, are gamers

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:23 PM

the only reason I keep bnetdocs together is because of that sense of community, there's a lot of people who use the site anonymously

I can pretty much check the logs at any time and see someone browsing around

Not just bots

I think Filip was on point last night when he said it's highly ambitious to do what we wanna do.

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:25 PM

im not really asking anything too deep i just am interested legitimately

im not trying to grill you islanti

i'm a dreamer

;p

@Caaaaarrrrlll yep - first step would be to articulate what it is

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Filip 21-Feb-18 08:29 PM

That's hard with this community

Very divided opinions

You mention you are trying to not emulate bnet 1 exactly and your nuts will be eaten

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:30 PM

Cater to bots/warring - it becomes stupid and lame

but if u emulate bnet u get sued lmao

RIP rob

Filip 21-Feb-18 08:31 PM

Haha

That was cherry on the cake for his bnet 1 work

He got in trouble for continually fucking their IP even with sc2

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:32 PM

I don't think anybody would get sued these days, they're literally in bed with fishbattle

Filip 21-Feb-18 08:33 PM

Yeh tend to agree . Bnet1 emulation will hardly matter

But let's be real. Someone will probably resurrect emnet

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:35 PM

doubt it.

i duno why they would when i6 is open source

its better

Filip 21-Feb-18 08:37 PM

Because better is subjective

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:41 PM

I think filip just is super underplaying how nice i6 is

despite the effects it had on servers, it was a nice platform

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:41 PM

he received a lot of bullshit from the other emulation rivals

"rivals"

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:42 PM

I only know of like 3

pvpgn, emnet, init6, my own, who else?

emnet is dead

I didn't bitch

Filip 21-Feb-18 08:43 PM

I also like to be humble

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Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:43 PM

that leaves pvpgn

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:43 PM

that's it realy

Filip 21-Feb-18 08:43 PM

seven really did me in

Lol

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:43 PM

emnet is a piece of shit though

Filip 21-Feb-18 08:43 PM

He was salty as fuck

Haha yeah

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:44 PM

Carl, what is your own project?

I haven't really heard you talk about it

is it a pvpgn fork?

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:46 PM

you know, the beauty of open source is anybody can improve what exists with something better

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:46 PM

absolutely

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:46 PM

it's on my github, it's shit, don't look at it

oh it's private nvm

ha

Hellya 21-Feb-18 08:47 PM

has pvpgn pursued linking at all?

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:47 PM

no

linking would be bad ass

they've got a lot on their plate

Filip 21-Feb-18 08:47 PM

Pvpgn is single server only

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:47 PM

https://github.com/pvpgn/pvpgn-server/issues

if you wanna hear about pvpgn the people to ask are @cen and @relesgoe

Filip 21-Feb-18 08:50 PM

pvpgn is tailored to gaming so the linking is not of importance. Init6 linking was tailored to war + drop.

Which has its own set of issues.

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:52 PM

one of the things my battlenet server did was have the ability to put @realm on peoples online names, based on IP or product

it also kept track of cdkeys in use, but not validity of keys; well, it'd check to ensure the product matched the game you were using, then cache it while you remain connected, and ensured no one could be using the same two keys at once, that was it (edited)

Filip 21-Feb-18 08:53 PM

Haha

You could always take the init6 route for cdkeys https://github.com/fjaros/init6/blob/master/src/main/scala/com/init6/connection/binary/BinaryMessageHandler.scala#L202

fjaros/init6

init6 - Project init 6 . Old battle.net like warnet server.

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:57 PM

And this is one of the reasons init6 is superior, it would disconnect people breaking the protocol.

PvPGN accepts way too much.

Filip 21-Feb-18 08:59 PM

Oh I was referring to the fact that there is no cdkey check at all

Caaaaarrrrlll 21-Feb-18 08:59 PM

I know